Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kelsey Stevenson

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 05:48, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Kelsey Stevenson

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Fails WP:NTENNIS, coverage is routine match reports only. Has not played at ATP level (in qualifying, but not in actual tournaments) or at the Davis Cup. Hasn't won a Challenger tournament, only Futures tournaments, which are not important enough by far. Fram (talk) 08:14, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom, ATP qualifying does not meet the WP:NTENNIS requirements and I couldn't find anything to suggest that WP:GNG could be met here. Iffy★Chat -- 12:18, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
• Delete - I can only find name checks in match reports myself and the article itself doesn't have any references that would allow a passing of WP:GNG. As explained above, WP:NTENNIS is also failed. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:37, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you for your review and feedback, this is the first page I've created and don't stand to gain anything from it, I just feel it's merited for this page to exist and perhaps the guidelines for what's considered 'notable' in the tennis world need to be revamped. I would like to address a few of the comments made above, "Hasn't won a Challenger tournament, only Futures tournaments, which are not important enough by far". I don't feel this is an accurate nor appropriate assessment of the ITF Men's and Women's tours. Almost all professional players begin playing on these tours and they help mould the players. They are important. By definition, someone who has played in only one Davis/Fed Cup match representing their country is considered a "notable" players, but in this case a player who has won several titles, and is professionally ranked within the top 600 of the world is considered to be a non-notable players who cannot have an article? Lastly, in reference to the statement "Has not played at ATP level (in qualifying, but not in actual tournaments) or at the Davis Cup". Qualifying matches are part of the tournaments. They provide ranking points and monetary rewards to participants, and thus I feel they are indeed sufficient to be used when quantifying what a notable player is. In this scenario specifically, this player has played in the qualifying rounds of no less than 7 ATP Tour level tournaments, including multiple times at the Roger's Cup, an ATP Maters 1000 - level tournament which is the second highest possible after a Grand Slam. Lastly, I feel that if a player can be linked (proven to have played a set number of matches) to others players already identified as 'notable' and with their own articles, then this should be sufficient enough to meet guidelines. Thank you! - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcburk (talk • contribs) 12:41, 2 March 2021 (UTC) mcburk (talk) 12:00, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, since this is a biography of a living person that does not meet the current sports notability guideline, the only way that it can really pass notability criteria is if there is sufficient coverage of him as a person to warrant an article. I'd be interested to know if you had access to any reliable sources documenting him in depth. For example, are there any sources that discuss his style of play, his early career or his personal life? This is the sort of coverage that would be needed for WP:GNG. Results listings and passing mentions in match reports are considered as WP:ROUTINE coverage. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:46, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. In this 2017 article written in the Montreal Gazette newspaper, there's a brief mention of his early life and family moving from Canada to Asia:

"Kelsey Stevenson, a Brighton, Ont., native who has spent most of his pro career playing in Asia, lost to 6-foot-11 American Reilly Opelka 6-4, 6-3. “I grew up playing against Milos (Raonic) but (Opelka’s) serve is something else,” said Stevenson.Stevenson moved overseas with his family after his father was transferred to China by Proctor and Gamble.“We spent four years there and then went to India and now my father is in Singapore,” said Stevenson. “I was based in Thailand but I’ve also spent some time in Europe. When you’re a tennis player, you don’t really have a home, but I’m based here now.”

This Japanese article from 2014 which includes a picture of the player, outlines his style of play and the school he graduated from:

"Kelsey is a graduate from Bangkok Pattana school and has extensively lived in Bangkok, Thailand. One of his best friends is Milos Raonic!..... Kelsey has an aggressive style of play with a mean forehand and one handed backhand. He enjoys plays such as 3rd ball strike. .... He will now head to Taiwan Futures to get back with his team led by coach Paul Dale. Kelsey coming off from an extensive eight month recovery is hoping to get back on the Challenger Tour and get his ranking back up. He favours doubles versus singles."

He was also a listed recipient of grants given from Tennis Canada through National bank last spring at the onset of the pandemic, to support Canadian players. Here's an article about that as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcburk (talk • contribs) 11:57, 3 March 2021 (UTC) mcburk (talk) 12:00, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

The 1st of those sources is by far the best one, as it covers the subject in a reliable source, the 2nd one is a blog from a tennis academy which isn't considered a reliable source (and may not be independent of the subject either), the 3rd one is clearly a passing mention. One source that just about meets the GNG criteria isn't enough to show notability. Iffy★Chat -- 12:33, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

I would agree with Iffy on this occasion. If he met NTENNIS, then those sources would definitely be enough but, since he doesn't, I see no reason to keep the article with essentially only one good source. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:58, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

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